TESTIMONIALS

Ellen is an artist in every sense. She has a wealth of design knowledge and experience and an eye for detail that I didn’t know was possible. We worked with Ellen throughout our new-build process and furnishing our forever home. On a custom build she was crucial to our entire process and was able to catch and correct so many structural details - big and small - to save us headaches down the road and make the home look polished. I love talking to Ellen and enjoyed all of our meetings. Ellen knows how to draw out your vision and preferences even if you don’t know what you want. She has designed many stunning homes in the popular neutral tones, but bold colors were important to me. Ellen can do anything - she enthusiastically embraced my color pallet to coordinate and perfect every room. She was also great at nixing and redirecting any of my ideas that got too wild, which I really appreciated. Ellen was fair in her pricing, responsive, and just over all delightful. I can’t recommend her highly enough. I feel lucky that we found her. Stop your hunt and hire her!Read More

Ellen is the best! We have been working with Ellen for at least a year now. Our project is fairly large with new construction, an addition, and remodel. She has been able to help us with every stage of the process. She has a great eye for style, design, and function. Ellen has taken our ideas and morphed them into actual plans. She has been great about listening to our ideas and tweaking them to work for our project. she is so easy to work with; she is quick to respond to messages; and she is always on time. I would highly recommend Ellen for a project big or small.Read More

Ellen has been a wonderful person to work with. she has an excellent background in design, and a pleasing way of putting everything together. She took into account our preferences, needs, and budget as she worked with us to create comfortable and pleasing living areas. Take a look at her portfolio. I would recommend her to you.Read More

Ellen is amazing!! Our project was a new build for a second home/vacation rental. She took was was a lovely design and made it stunning! It is such a light and comfortable space to be in and is always met with ohhs and ahhs. Ellen is fantastic to work with. She kept our budget in mind, worked hard to aquire great pieces, and made this such an incredible experience. I highly recommend Ellen McKenna to anyone!Read More

Ellen is personable, talented, helpful and reasonably priced. We are so glad we chose her to help build our house..we truly would’ve been lost without her! From helping tweak our layout to picking lighting fixtures and furniture with us, she nailed it all! Thank you Ellen!Read More

Ellen has been a DREAM to work with! She is creative, responsive, and takes initiative to get things just right as well as responsibility to get vendor mistakes corrected. She has an incredible eye for design and makes the process of "picking everything out" so easy for the client! Every time we meet, I can hardly wait to see what she's come up with. She brings to the table her own flair while understanding the client's taste and preferences in design. She understands the big picture and can envision a room before it even has walls. My only regret is that I didn't find her until after the architecture phase of designing our building was complete. We were able to make some positive changes at her suggestion but it would have been nice to have had her eye on the design of the building from the beginning. Highly recommended! I can't wait to work with her on our next project!Read More

Ellen is FABULOUS to work with! Always, Checking in with myself, the property owner and the contractor. Available for Quick little meetings. lucky she lives in the neighborhood. Defiantly a superb problem solver, we did stumble upon a few with our basement remodel. She took the vision of the Airbnb, and ran with it! She will be designing the next stages, so there will be cohesive flow. You CAN NOT go wrong, with Ellen. ~GingerRead More

Ellen is an amazing design expert. She has an incredible eye and is also adept at measuring and coming up with the right dimensions to furnish various spaces. We bought a new home and she has transformed empty rooms by adding color, unique and functional furniture as well as art work. Ellen is incredible resourceful and knowledgeable. I really enjoyed working with Ellen and highly recommend her.Read More

Ellen’s design expertise has been both helpful and fun! Ellen sees exciting possibilities where others see challenges. Ellen listens carefully, gives sound advice, has a great command of color, texture, and scale which she synthesizes seamlessly. Our new home is even more beautiful now!Read More

Ellen is amazing to work with. The way she listens to ideas and then interprets them to reality and paper is incredible. With her knowledge in design, she puts details together that are not only beautiful but completely functional as well. I love the extras that she includes as well, such as lighting and beautiful finds. I highly recommend Ellen for any new or remodel project, she is a wonderful designer!Read More

This is the second home that Ellen has helped me with, but this was a bit of a different situation, she had moved away and I was facing a full house gut. I couldn't imagine doing this project without her so we figured out a way to do it remotely. She spent hours reviewing the design and suggesting modifications. She also helped us select a terrific contractor who she had worked with before, we could not have been happier with him. She came into town when I needed her eye for color and tile selection, she sent suggestions and spent many long hours on the phone with me, helping me to make important decisions. The kitchen and bar area she designed are unique and just exactly what we wanted. Her patience, sense of humor (very important!) and talent know no bounds. We absolutely love they way our home turned out and are so grateful to her!Read More

Ellen provided us with architectural design services. Her feedback during the design process and layout ideas while working with us were very valiable. She proved to be an exceptional sounding board to discuss possible options and brought to our attention concepts and design ideas we had not thought about. In addition, she would point out areas that needed attention thay we had not thought about. She has the relationships that help make it easier to accomplish that uniqueness every person is looking for when building a custom home.Read More

When choosing a designer for our remodel we evaluated many options in the St. George area. What struck us the most was that most of the designers’ work looked very similar. Ellen McKenna Design stood out because she had a different style, fresh from the east coast. It was exactly what we were looking for. Ellen caught our vision right from the start. After showing her some inspiration photos, she took off running. Her recommendations for furniture were spot on. Ellen was direct and honest with us about how different design choices would flow. We were very impressed with Ellen’s excellent drawings of the project. They were instrumental in helping the design come together and flow the way we had envisioned. The drawings made it easy for everyone involved in the process to understand exactly how everything needed to be done. This was especially crucial at the beginning of this project when we were not yet in town. When we were not able to be in the area, Ellen traveled to different vendors to see options and often came to the work site anytime we needed her to check on measurements or progress. As she was new to the area, she was still in the process of creating professional connections with local subcontractors and vendors. If she didn’t know of a recommendation for a sub, she did the research and got one. Her enthusiasm when elements would come together was contagious. We always knew something was going to look really good if Ellen was excited about it. We’re incredibly happy with our new home. The finished product is better than we envisioned because Ellen was involved.Read More

I hired Ellen to help me with a modest kitchen remodel. She was professional, very easy to work with and flexible. She listened, paid attention to my needs and my budget, and had excellent suggestions and good resources. She was quite knowledgeable and could think out of the box. I highly recommend her if you need help with any kind of interior design, large or small.Read More

Ellen not only has taste, but she's a true professional and does great work. Her high standards are my high standards and I appreciate her looking after them. She's also very easy to work with and manages to multi-task seamlessly which is a difficult thing to do well. My deepest appreciation for a job well done.Read More

Ellen is the "best-of-best" as a designer. She did a superb job for us in completely updating a 70's built seaside home. The renovation went very smoothly in large part to Ellen's original, creative design plans and later her detailed specifications required for the builder. She exhibits much passion and energy and brings a wealth of knowledge to any project. Ellen is very well respected within the design community as well all the subcontractors who she interfaces. I would highly recommend Ellen and plan on utilizing her vast talents again with my primary home in Scottsdale, Arizona.Read More

Ellen provided design services for a house I am renovating. I wanted to go modern/contemporary after years of the traditional styled home. She provided me with not only design advice but several times when there seemed to be no good building solution to a problem she solved the problem - for instance hanging the TV over a fireplace w/o a mantel was going to be a problem but she came up with a great solution. She was always on time, easy to get alone with and never got upset if I did not go along with her suggestions she would provide other options. She was easy to get in touch with and she returned calls in a timely manner and still does although she moved almost 3,000 miles away. She was a pleasure to work with and I would highly recommend her.Read More

I worked with Ellen McKenna on a gut rehab of a small 1970 house in the Beavertail area of Jamestown, RI. Ellen has terrific design judgement ranging from architectural element (size, shape, lines in the structure of rooms) to color, finishes, etc. She is also very easy to work with - responsive and down-to-earth. She gently saved us from doing or not doing things we would have regretted. The end result is terrific thanks to Ellen!Read More

We interviewed 3 interior decorators . We picked Ellen . She was upfront about pricing and had many alternative suggestions to what we had previously heard. She was sensitive to my needs and balanced that with my husbands ideas .I have worked with several interior decorators before but this was my best experience .Read More

We have worked with Ellen McKenna Design for several years on a professional level. Her talent for creating beautiful spaces never disappoints. She is thorough, detail oriented and a visionary. She is lovely to work with and is never pretentious.Read More

Ellen is a skillful and confident designer with beautiful taste. She uses the collaborative approach, that is, she asks for permission to give her recommendations and is careful to listen and consider the opinion of her client. She is energetic, responsive, and generous. I must paraphrase a quote from Truman Capote in describing a friend as it captures Ellen’s essence: ” her only flaw is she is perfect; otherwise, she’s perfect”!Read More

I can't say enough about Ellen's talents. We just completed a full renovation on our 100+ year old home. Ellen's in-depth knowledge of architecture coupled with her amazing design abilities gave us the best of both worlds. Ellen understood our style, the style of the home and the neighborhood. She has an incredibly thoughtful sense about how things work in a practical sense and consistently offered suggestions to make design and architecture work better. She worked beautifully with our contractor and subs to ensure that things turned out as planned. Our builder also can't say enough about working with her and how much her involvement helped throughout the project. She is incredibly responsive and not only that ---she's nice to be around!Read More

Ellen is in a League of her own because she is a true Professional, who understands Interior Designing from A-Z and all of it's many facets. Ellen's knowledge abounds in ways that excel, because she knows and understands exactly what the CIlent wants and expects, in ways that the Client has not even imagined. She is a Creative Genius because she keenly knows how to work within Budgets and yet achieves all that you want, and does it with such ease and specificity. She has Contacts in this business that she utilizes to exhaust all of her resources until the Client is completely satisfied. She has the ability to mix and match and incorporate what is needed, and works endlessly to our amazement, to utilize some of your treasured pieces without sacrficing the design concept. I have worked with Consultants and Advisors for business projects throughout my career, and Ellen far exceeds all of them because of her Diligence, Knowledge and uncanny way of knowing how to achieve Success. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!Read More

Best investment that I ever made was hiring Ellen to be part of my beach cottage renovation. She is an incredibly talented architect and designer. Her ideas and suggestions were creative, refined and beyond what I ever imagined. She was a great partner in realizing the vision for the cottage…designing the space and then finding the right pieces, textures, colors, materials. I don’t think there was one idea or suggestion that wasn’t taken. Her attention to detail is flawless. She worked extremely well with me, my contractor and the end product was exactly as I had hoped….and more! I absolutely trusted her, her taste, and had a great deal of fun working with her. I would highly recommend her.Read More

Ellen redesigned our kitchen, half-bath, and dining room. She was knowledgeable, efficient, imaginative, and a pleasure to work with. Her background in architecture meant that she could produce precise designs and communicate with our contractor. The results are a gorgeous kitchen, an elegant bath, and a beautiful dining room that we will now actually use. Ellen was sensitive to our budget, informing us of expenses all along the way. Her expertise and capacity to solve problems are so impressive. We are thrilled and grateful to have found her.Read More

Ellen McKenna is a true professional! She is extremely knowledgeable, has years of experience, and has a wonderful attitude. She was able to work within our budget and meet the requests of my husband and my different opinions. Out project turned out well beyond our expectations.Read More

I have used Ellen McKenna Design for all of my design and interior decorating needs for over ten years. You could not choose a better design professional for your project. Ellen worked on a 4000 sq. ft. waterfront home in Rhode Island for my family as well as a Mediterranean inspired townhouse in Santa Barbara. Ellen is uniquely skilled in that she is able to plan, design, draw and execute a project from start to finish including producing drawings that your contractor can use, working with your contractor to execute the project, selecting tile, fabrics, furniture and other materials and seeing the job through to completion. Most design professionals are only skilled in one of these areas. Ellen can do it all. She is exceptionally skilled at designing rooms that are both livable and beautiful, creating beautiful spaces that are supremely functional. Ellen can design a house from start to finish, however her exceptional skills really shine in the area of kitchen and bath design, two of the most important and functional areas of the house. I recommend Ellen highly for all of your design needs.Read More

I was first introduced to Ellen when I saw the condominium she staged for my dad in Mystic. I loved the colors she used and her kitchen and bathroom designs so when we moved into our new house, I knew I wanted Ellen to help me remodel our outdated kitchen and family room. I was not disappointed. Ellen saw to every detail from cabinet style to countertops to lighting and furniture. She made the whole process easy because of her vast knowledge and experience. She was patient and reassuring when I wanted to second guess my decisions. She is always prompt in answering questions with a phone call or email. We are looking forward to continuing to work with Ellen in updating other rooms in our home. I highly recommend Ellen. She is the best!Read More

I hired Ellen to design plans to renovate and redecorate a Carriage House in the Eastern Point section of Groton, CT. Working with an architect and builder the knowledge and insights she provided was invaluable. Whether it was interior or exterior, Ellen had the answer. She has a breadth of contacts across many suppliers that will fit any budget. Her suggestions on everything from floor plans, windows, paint, light fixtures and bath tile for my home made all the difference. She is easy to work with and had the technical knowledge to interact seamlessly with my architect and builder. I could not be happier with the job she did for me and would highly recommend EllenRead More

I hired Ellen McKenna after reading her fabulous reviews on Houzz. We have a mid-century modern house in Stonington, CT, and I wanted to align the decor with the style of the house. I had no idea where to begin. I liked Ellen right from the start. She has a gentle, caring manner and she inspires confidence. She was excited about the opportunity to work with this style, and she knew exactly what needed to be done. As an architect, her sense of space and design are incomparable. She started right off designing stunning, contemporary bookshelves to fill a wall in our living room. These are truly beautiful and perfectly compliment the lines of the house. They bring rave reviews from all who see them. Actually, that has been the reaction of everyone who views Ellen's transformations. She is, in my mind, a magician with a remarkable eye. With her great sense of color and texture, she has guided me through each step in selecting furniture, rugs, lights, and decorative items for my rooms. She always respects my taste and uses a humorous approach to chide me, when I slip backwards with choices. We are about three quarters of the way through the project now, and I can't describe how thrilled we are with the changes. My newly designed rooms gives me a sense of calm, since they are now as lovely as I'd once dreamed they might be. Ellen is warm and funny and a delight to work with. She has taken me shopping and led me to many great artisans. I always look forward to her company as well as her ideas. In addition to our expeditions and the samples she brings here, she also floods us with great possibilities from the internet. These represent a wide range of prices. I can't tell you how much money she has saved us by preventing mistakes and getting us the best value possible. This is another wonderful thing about her. I have worked briefly with designers before and felt they were charging us unfairly for their services. I have never felt this way with Ellen. She bends over backwards to stay within budget and several times, when I was ready to purchase something gorgeous she had found for me, she would say, "We can find a better price." Just one example is when the price for the grasscloth she recommended for the backs of the bookshelves came in higher than we'd hoped, she found a talented painter who replicated the grasscloth backing for less than half the price. Ellen is always very timely when dealing with the steps in the process, She never misses a deadline and is great about returning calls and emails. Thus, we have always felt that our project is as important to her as it is to us. I can't recommend Ellen McKenna highly enough, and I will always be grateful that I turned to the Houzz website to find this miracle worker.Read More

We have been working with Ellen renovating and redecorating our cape house. Ellen has been able to listen to our needs and desires and know exactly what we want. She has great design and artistic knowledge and vision. She is always sensitive to our budget concerns. We have completed kitchen and indoor and outdoor living space projects and now onto bathrooms and bedrooms. It has been our pleasure to have the opportunity to work with Ellen.Read More

I hired Ellen McKenna to design a beach cottage in Narragansett, Rhode Island with a local builder and architect. I could not be more satisfied with the insight and design knowledge that she brought to the project. The cottage was a challenge in that every square inch of the space was utilized in some way. Her experience in every aspect from the initial plans, kitchen and bathroom designs to custom stairwells and lighting made all the difference to this unique home. Her knowledge of pocket doors, hurricane proof windows and doors, cubbies in stairwells and unique and current bathroom designs made this home absolutely breathtaking. She knew what materials would match and blend with others from marble, granite, porcelain, tile, ceramics in that all used in different combinations made a very beach chic home. I would be happy to recommend Ellen to anyone that is building a home to even a remodeling of a room. She has a great eye for color, detail and space. She was able to meet any deadline that arose, stayed within our budget and worked well with others. I would definitely hire Ellen again.Read More

Ellen is the Best! She always has a great vision. She will suggest, but not push, so you yourself make the final choices. When you call her with any question she will either talk to you right then if she can or return your call as soon as she can. She is truly interested in the project. I used her from the very beginning, when our home was under construction, to lights, tiles, granite, to wall colors and now that we are in the house but we do not have any furniture, I will ask her help with furnishings and window coverings. She is superb.Read More

I worked with Ellen Mckenna for over two years now with building my new home. I am so thankful we found her I don't know how I could of done it without all her knowledge and help! She helped with the design of our floor plans and sizes for closets, bedrooms, etc. She designed out master bath vanities along with entertainment center and office. She helped with the appropriate sizes for all my granite and marble countertops along with colors. She provided many color swatches for all my walls along with trim colors and ceilings. She has amazing fabric options. She also did the lighting as far as sizes for ceiling lights along with finishes. I can't say enough how great she is as what she does. We are now working on furniture and rugs and my home came out beautiful thanks to her.Read More

Working with Ellen McKenna has been a fantastic experience for us. Initially we were hesitant about hiring an interior designer- thinking it would be expensive and we’d be talked into something that didn’t fit our lifestyle. But Ellen proved us wrong. Her style and approach were exactly what we needed. She listened to us and understood our budget and the direction we wanted to go. She went above and beyond in helping us put together a soft coastal style with excellent suggestions for the kitchen granite and backsplash, kitchen hardware, wall colors, furniture style and layout, window treatments, lighting options and countless other little things that put it all together. We could have never achieved this without her expertise and knowledge. Having Ellen as our interior designer really paid off and we highly recommend her services to family and friends.Read More

Ellen has exquisite taste. Her designs incorporate a variety of soothing or interesting colors and textures and she has an innate sense for designing space and easy flow throughout her projects. I have worked with her for several years on window treatments. She is the ultimate professional and a pleasure to work with.Read More

We hired Ellen McKenna after the blueprints were almost finished to our new home. At that point she gave us some fantastic ideas that we could incorporate into the design. She was extremely honest about the cost of each idea. Without adding too much money, she changed the style of sliding doors in our home and completely improved the look of the front of our home. In addition, these new doors allowed the outside decks to become incorporated into the inside of our home. Ellen helped to decorate our beach house without adding the usual shells and anchors on every wall. She had great taste and had practical advice for a family with many children. Ellen was very flexible with her hours and she had a wonderfully pleasant personality. She is confident about her ideas but is never pushy.Read More

We hired the services of Ellen McKenna Design right after we started building our home. She was very helpful and knowledgeable.Read More

We purchased a house on the East Side of Providence that had been built in 1920. The kitchen had been redone in the 80's; it was a horror. We hired Ellen and could not have been more pleased with the results. She turned the dysfunctional kitchen into a workable showpiece. Where we thought we had no space for anything Ellen gave us not only a functional kitchen but a 1/2 bath and a mudroom! Ellen has an excellent eye and clearly sees what needs to be done. We found her services saved us both time and money. She also redid our master bath, again she was able to solve problems we thought were unsolvable. Ellen was easy to work with, we would never consider doing another project without her expertise.Read More

After searching numerous websites and then Houzz's professional database we came across Ellen's profile and really like what we saw. Based on Ellen's profile we expected her services to be expensive and out of our 'range'. Turns out not only could we afford to hire Ellen but we believe it was the best investment we made on the project. Ellen was fantastic and was able to 'translate' our differing design ideas, keep the peace and come up with one common design that not only suited both of us but a design that we both really liked! We renovated a kitchen, living space and an office and absolutely love the way it turned out. Ellen went the extra mile for us meeting us at all the different vendors and then worked closely with our contractor to insure our vision was implemented as designed. We highly recommend Ellen!Read More

We had the pleasure of working with Ellen on a new home project in Rhode Island. The home was a Medteranian style with a lot of detail. I was impressed with Ellen's ability to work with the customers desires yet maintain her vision and see it through. I found Ellen very easy to work with and open to input from others involved.Read More

From start to finish, Ellen's knowledge of architecture, her interior design abilities and her exceptional contact lists, made our project a breeze. Our project started out as a "face lift" but morphed into a total restoration. I wasn't in favor of hiring a consultant, but once I met Ellen and listened to her ideas, I quickly realized what a gem we had found. Ellen has a degree in architecture and understands the complexities of building plans. She designed a fabulous bathroom and master walk-in closet with ease. She had her fingers on all the resources and products I needed, plus she helped me stay with in my budget. This included a new kitchen (walls, floors, applicances, counters tops, the works), 4 bathrooms, 12 other rooms, a kitchenette, all window treatments, window seats, floors including carpets and furniture. In addition she had quite a few antiques restored. She even found someone to re-cane Aunt Fanny's chair. She designed the landscaping plan for the backyard and the renovation plans for the carriage house.Read More

I have had the pleasure of working with Ellen McKenna of Ellen McKenna Design on two major design projects. Ellen is a creative, talented professional, who always puts forth 110% in all she does. Ellen goes above and beyond to service her clients, which makes working with her a true pleasure. Ellen delivers her work on-time and on-budget. Ellen has a wonderful style of her own, however, I believe her success lies in that she respects that everyone's style is different and she is able to work with the client to deliver what suits their personal wants and needs. Ellen is particularly talented at designing space that is extremely functional, because she takes into consideration the unique needs of the end-user, whether it be an individual or a family of five. It has been a pleasure working with Ellen. I can't wait until our next project!Read More

I worked with Ellen McKenna to design a complete renovation of my kitchen, half bath, and full bath. Ellen's advice and guidance were a life-saver. From physical layout, to hardware, to fabrics and colors, she does it all. She spent the time to understand my likes and dislikes and did relentless research on my behalf (as I am very particular about what I like). She was quick to respond and good on follow-up. When a vendor's work was unsatisfactory, Ellen was quick to advocate for me and get the issue resolved to my satisfaction. She tried to keep her recommendations within my price range, and if you ask for an honest opinion, she'll give it to you! I really appreciated that. She will spend as much or as little time with you, as you require. I would highly recommend her.Read More

I began my kitchen, bathroom, and art studio renovation project with a contractor. When the contractor and I came to an impass, I contacted Ellen McKenna to help with space planning. Ellen came up with affordable, out of the box, efficient, and extremely practical ideas that neither my contractor nor I had even considered. I loved Ellen's ideas and asked for her help in completing the project. She came up with innovative ways to let in more light. Her suggestions for all of the finishes were outstanding! She was patient, and seemed to know my taste. I am very happy with the outcome!Read More

Ellen redid my kitchen and baths to reflect my taste and my lifestyle. She is flexible, precise and patient. She is easy to work with, efficient and knowledgeable, not to mention she has a great artistic sensibility - very creative! She stayed within our budget and met our deadlines completely. It was a great experience working with her! After our large project was finished I asked Ellen to help with some smaller ones and was very pleased again with the results!Read More

She's got the eye! She walked into our barely framed building, the Commons for our arts and humanities residency, and saw everything, the Great Room, kitchen, bathrooms, guest room, my office. Then she hunted down the best deals possible and saved me thousands on everything from rugs to armoires to stoves and refrigerators. The place looks fantastic. We look forward to working with her in our residency units. I couldn't be more pleased. Thank you Ellen. Gratefully, Logan Hebner, Executive Director, Zion Canyon MesaRead More

Easy to work with, in fact I think she can read minds! From Designing whole rooms to tile choices, paint and furniture she is always spot on!. Excellent on every level! Very professional, detailed, and responsive! Highly recommend Ellen McKenna . I trust her with any project I have now and in the future! A++,Read More

Wow! Were we fortunate enough to have met Ellen! We wanted to modernize our new home in southern Utah and Ellen has been an absolute gem! From the first time we met her, we were impressed by her promptness, communication, design expertise, and overall friendliness. She has helped us design a new bathroom that we are constructing and is working on remodeling our master bathroom as well. Ellen has been crucial in picking the right colors for us to paint our entire home. She worked with our specialist in picking the proper stain color to re-do our hardwood floors. She has helped up select the exact carpet for our needs. Ellen is an expert at finding just the right furnishings and ensuring they arrive on time. She is also starting a plan to redesign our kitchen. Ellen is so very good at making sure everything in our home flows smoothly and looks like a million bucks! However, she also is price conscious, and helps us keep everything within budget. Did I mention how friendly and easy she is to work with? You will be very grateful if you include Ellen in designing virtually any project for your home!Read More

Ellen helped me with two different houses, in two different states, two very different styles. She was amazing both times. She has great attention to detail, works incredibly hard, and listens well. I have many stories about how she managed flawed deliveries, erratic contractors and quirky clients. But mostly, you will wonder why you ever tried to work on a house without her help. She is great.Read More